Interview With Dr. Sholem Stein Akkorde von 
Lenny Bruce 
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Tonart: E major•
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This is Henry Jacobs
with another program
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of Music and Folklore.
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Today on our general series
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of programs
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dealing with the origins of music,
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we're going to discuss the
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origins of Calypso
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with a rather well -known Hebrew scholar
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Dr. Sholem Stein
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from the City College of New York.
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Dr. Stein has just
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returned from a trip
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throughout the Caribbean area
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where he's been collecting the ex
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amples of Calypso
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you'll be hearing in background.
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Well, Dr. Stein,
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I understand that you feel that there one time
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seems to have been a
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very significant Hebraic influence
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in the ca lypso music of
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the West Indies.
Is that true?
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That's very true, Mr. Jacobs.
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You know the story
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of Wandering Jew,
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and we find the Hebraic characters
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or the world history scattered all over,
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even in as far away places as Nassau
and the Bahamas.
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Well, now, you pointed out in the lyrics
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of this tun e
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we're hearing now regarding tomatoes. Tomatoes,
yes.
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We might listen to the words for a moment,
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and then you could comment on some of the
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content
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as you were doing earlier.
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Yes, I would be glad to do that,
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Mr. Jacobs.
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Tomatoes, let me find these.
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I have it in my briefcase here,
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the tomatoes. Let's see now. Oh, yes.
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Now, I will read it for you,
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if don't mind if I read it for
you.
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Way, way down south where
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bananas grow,
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Elephant jumped with tears in his eyes.
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He said, why don't you mash
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someone your size?
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Now, Mr. Jacobs,
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this seems like an innocent,
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rather in nocent verse,
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but comparing it with the Mishnah,
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you are familiar with the Mishnah?
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Well, it's now one of the seven books of Moses,
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you know. Yes, it is the third book.
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There's a similar thing
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that doesn't refer to bananas, of course.
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Bananas were unknown in Jerusalem
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in the Old Testament times,
you know. Bananas. Plantains.
Well, what is the symbol here,
would you say?
Well, bananas, you see,
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and plantains is similar,
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football -like,
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more of a football -like,
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the cosmos,
you see, the cosmos.
You know what I mean?
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There are scientific authorities today
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who have shown us
with unerring accuracy
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that the world is, the earth, that is,
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as we know it, is not so much shaped like,
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more like a football, you know,
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and it seems to be maintaining
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its balance that way,
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going on and on through the ages,
you see.
Dr. Stein, I understand
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that one of your areas of
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secondary interest
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is in the field of political science.
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Yes, yes, political science, oh yes.
Of course,
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the picture in Palestine
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Palestine has been of interest to
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Did you see that picture?
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No, doctor,
I meant the picture in the general
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Oh, I see, I see, yes, the picture,
the general picture in
Palestine.
Well, now you...
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Very menacing, yes,
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very menacing.
It's fraught with great danger
for the entire world.
Do you realize that Israel is
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the pivot point of the Near East,
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and if that falls, the British Empire,
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the Suez Canal,
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consequently the Panama Canal.
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In fact, all canals,
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international trade will be affected,
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and the British pound sterling will go down.
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That will bring the value of gold up,
and the ratio will be thrown
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off balance
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to create reflections even in the ruble,
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you know, the yen.
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Yes, it's a very profound subject.
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Economics, very interesting.
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Well, has there been any,
do you think there'll be any interest
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in Palestine
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regarding this finding of yours?
Any interest in...
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Well I'm trying to in terest...
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I'm trying to interest Jascha Heifetz to,
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you know, Jascha Heifetz has a fine voice,
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I wonder if you know that.
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He com menced his career as a cantor
in the Lower East Side,
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and we are trying to get him
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to sing in the town hall
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some calypso melodies,
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accompanying himself of
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course on the guitar.
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He's a wonderful guitarist, you know.
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Well, this re lationship,
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can you musicologically
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state the relationship between
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the calypso we're hearing
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and one of the Hebrew folk songs?
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Well, as I say, they all have their
Old Testament base
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in the Mishnah, yes, of course we could trace
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that back, yes.
And you have traced it?
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Oh, yes, yes, I, of course, it's a complicated,
very deep, profound subject
to go into now.
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I would suggest that you re commend,
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perhaps, to your audience
to read my forthcoming book
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entitled Bahama Mama.
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Of course, Bahama Mama,
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it refers to the mother myth
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of the Bahamian Indians,
you see, and how through
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their matriarchal society
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you see the connections
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with the subject at hand.
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An d it goes very deep, very profound,
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and has international complications
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on the financial world
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as well as just any place.
Well, I understand you've
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been giving a recent series
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before your last trip to the West Indies,
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a series of lectures.
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Yes, I have been giving those lectures
at the New School
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for some time now,
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and they've met with varied
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comment
from the audience,
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when the people came at all.
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Well, I understand you had some theories
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on the psychoanalytic signific
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ance of music.
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Yes, of course.
We all know that music is related to the psyche.
For example,
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what does the word psyche mean?
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No. It means the soul. Soul.
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And what was the question again?
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The relation with the Bahama music,
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yes, oh yes, in general,
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more in general than specifically
I would say, and my forthcoming book,
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Bahama Mama,
it takes up that subject,
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goes into it very...
I really feel it's a penetrating analysis
indeed, yes.
Well, I suggest that perhaps
we listen to some of this Calypso music
and let the audience perhaps
draw their own conclusions,
and I'm sure they'll be interested
in your forthcoming book.
Bahama Mama,
yes, Bahama Mama.
Dr. Sholem Stein of City College in
New York.
You'll find that in any bookstore.
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